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		<title>By: G Cameron</title>
		<link>http://www.jeunestreet.com/2009/05/05/upping-the-t-dot/comment-page-1/#comment-1636</link>
		<dc:creator>G Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 06:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your insightful follow-up, David. Much appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your insightful follow-up, David. Much appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 06:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Geoff,

It&#039;s really a rather minor issue and not to belabor it, but while in the past libertarians have aligned with conservatives  that&#039; s been changing for a while.  Libertarians have been drifting towards the Democratic party the past few election cycles and in this past presidential election the majority actually went for Obama.   Wilkinson, along with many other folks from Cato, endorsed and voted for Obama.  Wilkerson, who I like a lot, is a leading voice in a movement among some libertarians to try and align themselves more with social progressives (he often uses the term &#039;liberalterian&#039; to describe his own views).    

One of the big fissures with conservatives and libertarians is immigration (along with the war and cultural values), and the Bush comprehensive immigration reform that was shredded by his own party for being too liberal was based on a Cato penned plan.    The libertarian take on immigration is, and always has been, far more aligned with the Democratic party&#039;s take than the Republicans&#039;.  For those reasons I&#039;d  just caution about  inferring conservative trends from someone who so vocally disagrees with their immigration policies and publicly battles them over it.   

Hope all the transitioning is going well,
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Geoff,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really a rather minor issue and not to belabor it, but while in the past libertarians have aligned with conservatives  that&#8217; s been changing for a while.  Libertarians have been drifting towards the Democratic party the past few election cycles and in this past presidential election the majority actually went for Obama.   Wilkinson, along with many other folks from Cato, endorsed and voted for Obama.  Wilkerson, who I like a lot, is a leading voice in a movement among some libertarians to try and align themselves more with social progressives (he often uses the term &#8216;liberalterian&#8217; to describe his own views).    </p>
<p>One of the big fissures with conservatives and libertarians is immigration (along with the war and cultural values), and the Bush comprehensive immigration reform that was shredded by his own party for being too liberal was based on a Cato penned plan.    The libertarian take on immigration is, and always has been, far more aligned with the Democratic party&#8217;s take than the Republicans&#8217;.  For those reasons I&#8217;d  just caution about  inferring conservative trends from someone who so vocally disagrees with their immigration policies and publicly battles them over it.   </p>
<p>Hope all the transitioning is going well,<br />
David</p>
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		<title>By: G Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>G Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 08:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, he&#039;s not. Surprised? 

I&#039;d suggest reading the full column by Wilkinson, as it puts in perspective the &#039;flood&#039; metaphor you use. Nobody is &quot;drowning in immigration&quot; -- migration is correlated with better livelihoods and economic performance. There may be local social strains associated with rapid and high rates of immigration, but they don&#039;t seem overwhelming in Toronto and Vancouver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, he&#8217;s not. Surprised? </p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest reading the full column by Wilkinson, as it puts in perspective the &#8216;flood&#8217; metaphor you use. Nobody is &#8220;drowning in immigration&#8221; &#8212; migration is correlated with better livelihoods and economic performance. There may be local social strains associated with rapid and high rates of immigration, but they don&#8217;t seem overwhelming in Toronto and Vancouver.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Squires</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Squires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 08:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Neither Miami, nor Los Angeles, nor New York City can compete with Toronto’s cosmopolitan credentials.&quot;

Isn&#039;t he ignoring the flood of immigration from Central America, all of whom are lumped under one ethnicity. 
By my recall, Los Angeles was drowning in immigration. 
Phil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Neither Miami, nor Los Angeles, nor New York City can compete with Toronto’s cosmopolitan credentials.&#8221;</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t he ignoring the flood of immigration from Central America, all of whom are lumped under one ethnicity.<br />
By my recall, Los Angeles was drowning in immigration.<br />
Phil</p>
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		<title>By: G Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>G Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 07:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your helpful clarification, David. I have to say, however, that I think the &quot;libertarian, not conservative&quot; distinction is increasingly overstated. It seems to be part of a broader re-alignment of the conservative movement in the US, as it would be hard to deny that libertarians (and Cato) have been part of the conservative coalition for many decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your helpful clarification, David. I have to say, however, that I think the &#8220;libertarian, not conservative&#8221; distinction is increasingly overstated. It seems to be part of a broader re-alignment of the conservative movement in the US, as it would be hard to deny that libertarians (and Cato) have been part of the conservative coalition for many decades.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 06:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Geoff,

Wilkinson (and Cato) are libertarian, not conservative and so are long-time supporters of rather liberal immigration policies.  Immigration policy is certainly one of the biggest divides between American conservatives and libertarians. 

Best,
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Geoff,</p>
<p>Wilkinson (and Cato) are libertarian, not conservative and so are long-time supporters of rather liberal immigration policies.  Immigration policy is certainly one of the biggest divides between American conservatives and libertarians. </p>
<p>Best,<br />
David</p>
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